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Sunday, April 26, 2020

Heat and UV Light, As Well as Clorox and Hydrogen Peroxide, Are Environmental Cleansers - NOT Human Treatments or Cures - Nor Substitutes for Social Distancing

This should go without saying, but apparently we need to. 

Yes, as I mentioned in this post on March 22nd  - which includes a link to the March 6th NIH research study -  the coronavirus is sensitive to heat and UV light, as well as Clorox and hydrogen peroxide do literally kill the virus.

HOWEVER  - what that means is those things are effective environmentally - NOT within the human body - and they are NOT substitutes for social distancing in terms of transmission.

I even pointed in the above link you have to be careful with Clorox on skin, to heavily dilute it or use hydrogen peroxide?

(Additionally, you have to be careful even inhaling Clorox in large amounts,  because inhaling too much Clorox can be harmful to your lungs.)

The reason these disinfectant products kill the virus is because they are 
biohazardous - which means they can also kill you - if ingested or too much enters directly into your blood stream  - because they kill anything comprised of biologic tissue.


Only an idiot would interpret that to mean those things are actual human treatments and cures.

Speaking of idiocy - apparently, both Clorox and Lysol have had to field numerous questions, after Trump said the following at the WH coronavirus briefing on Thursday ...

Watch the video (C-Span) and read the below transcript and judge for yourselves of what Trump said, and then what he said the next day, after the backlash.

Thursday, April 23rd, WH press conference, after William Bryan's presentation: 

Trump: "A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it."

"And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right?"
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs."

"So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.

Later in the briefing, at around 30 minutes, William Bryan - Acting Science and Technology Secretary for Homeland Security - speaks again, after being asked why hot/humid areas still are experiencing "hotspots," like New Orleans - despite virus sensitivity to heat/light.

GREAT question.

And IMO, despite a few (but not all) of my own preferred liberal press sources spinning/panning him a a bit, I actually personally felt that Mr. Bryan handled this question very well. 

Because he did concede, several times, that the virus is still being studied and not well understood yet, as well as the DHS study has not been peer-reviewed and thus their study has not officially been published yet, but the DHS study does corroborate this NIH's study I posted (as well as other institutional studies).

Bryan clearly stated that "heat/light are just one tool in the toolbelt, they are NOT a cure," and that "not following social/safety restrictions to prevent transmission" -  
(i.e. holding Mardi Gras parades anyway?) - likely played a significant role in transmission in New Orleans - despite plenty of heat/UV light.

Bryan also explicitly said: "It would be irresponsible for us to say that we feel the summer will totally kill the virus."

(This was likely stated because Trump has previously touted summer will make the virus "disappear" and will be "like a miracle."  When in fact, Australia and Malaysia have disproved Trump. Their numbers were less - but this may due to some combination of heat/UV light and early adoption of social restrictions, rather than one versus the other  - and again, the truth is - we don't really know/understand why, yet, no one does).

I actually think despite some of my own preferred press panning/misinterpreted/spinning a little bit of what Bryan actually said, Bryan actually did a fairly good job of making it clear that heat and light were NOT cures, they were environmental "tools in the tool belt" that may help, and that social distancing was more important.   

However, what my own preferred liberal press did NOT misinterpret/spin in the least was what Trump literally said - they didn't have to - because Trump literally did say what press is saying he said, very clearly.

Because note that the very next thing Trump did was to promptly completely ignore everything that Mr. Bryan had just said ...

Trump: "I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there’s any way that you can apply light and heat to cure. You know — if you could." 

"And maybe you can, maybe you can’t. Again, I say, maybe you can, maybe you can’t. I’m not a doctor. But I’m like a person that has a good you know what." 

"(To Dr. Birx) Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light, relative to certain viruses, yes, but relative to this virus? 

Dr. Birx:  "Not as a treatment. I mean, certainly fever is a good thing. When you have a fever, it helps your body respond. But not as — I’ve not seen heat or light- 

Trump: "I think it’s a great thing to look at. I mean, you know. Okay?

Again - exactly how much Kool-Aid are you Trumpers going to drink, here, nearly literally now?  

I STG, I honestly think if Trump told you all to drink poison-laced Kool-Aid to prevent/treat coronavirus, despite what physicians, pharamacists, and even poison control said, you'd do it, wouldn't you? lol

Regardless, the next day, it was a different story  ...

WH oval office press meeting the following day, Friday, April 24th:

Unidentified Reporter:   "Can you clarify your comments about injections of disinfectant?

Trump: "No, I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you, just to see what would happen."

"Now, disinfectant, or doing this, maybe on the hands, would work. And I was asking the question of the gentleman who was there yesterday — Bill — because when they say that something will last three or four hours or six hours, but if the sun is out or if they use disinfectant, it goes away in less than a minute. Did you hear about this yesterday? 

"But I was asking a sarcastic — and a very sarcastic question — to the reporters in the room about disinfectant on the inside. But it does kill it and it would kill it on the hands and that would make things much better. That was done in the form of a sarcastic question to the reporters. Okay."

Unidentified Reporter: "But ... you were asking your medical experts to look into it?

Trump: "Uh, no, no, no, no."

Reporter: "Were you being sarcastic with them?" 

Trump: "To look into whether or not sun and disinfectant on the hands, but whether or not sun can help us because, I mean, he came in yesterday and he said they’ve done a big study. This is a study. This isn’t where he hasn’t done it. This is where they’ve come in with a final report that sun has a massive impact, negatively, on this vir– in other words, it does not live well with humidity, and it doesn’t live well with sun — sunlight — heat. It doesn’t live well with heat and sun and disinfectant. And that’s what I brought out. And I thought it was clear. Okay. Anything else?

Oh, BS lol.  He very clearly directly asked the doctors and public health administrators to check into it - several times. 

And he thinks that makes him look better, to claim he was "being sarcastic just to see what would happen?"

How much of a psychopath do you have to be to play games with critical information, for your own amusement, during a pandemic at a White House Press Conference?!? lol

Never mind.  I withdraw the question lol. 

I personally don't believe he was being sarcastic/joking in the first place, but if he was, that's actually worse than just being ignorant/stupid.  

Either way wouldn't surprise me lol. Regardless, both answers are dangerously socially irresponsible - because his cult followers hang on his every word as gospel, instead of listening to what actual doctors, pharmacists, and scientific researchers say - and he knows that. 

Again, IMO, Trump needs to talk less and listen more, when it comes to this virus, because this is not his area of expertise and he could kill somebody with his lack of knowledge about it. 

And can anyone explain to me if I found the NIH study which corroborates the DHS study - 3 weeks ago - why the POTUS is just now even mentioning these things? 


Maybe they knew if they gave this information, he'd misread/misunderstand it and eff it all up, which of course he just did, not disappointing us lol. ;)

In fact, I sent the link to the NIH study to family the day I found it, and even one of my brother-in-laws, who is a Trumper, realized this this meant environmentally, not as treatment. 

Because he joked back, "I guess we should all get tanning beds then." 

I replied, "lol.  Yes, that's exactly what it means. Do I want melanoma or COVID, it's a tossup." 

Now THAT is sarcasm and joking -  because we both knew what this study actually meant, how the other would take the joking, and most importantly, we didn't start seriously asking medical professionals about checking into it lol.

In fact, we then began talking seriously about how even in Malaysia and Australia, who were experiencing their hottest temperatures of the year, were still experiencing the virus - just not as rapidly as countries experiencing winter/early spring - but then again, note Australia hopped on social restrictions early and immediately, too, so it may be a combination of those things that kept numbers down.So seriously - how stupid/ignorant/brainwashed would you have to be to interpret the studies this way? 

If my Trumper bro-in-law knew what that meant  -  3 weeks ago, mind you - why didn't Trump? 

(And a further question would be,  how can smart people still listen to one word Trump says, after things he says like that.  Thank God Melania is raising Baron, that's all I have to say, because God forbid, if Baron got the virus what Trump would do. )

Even if Trump was joking/being sarcastic (which I don't believe)  - he has to know that some Americans really are that ignorant and you can't say things like that to the whole American audience. 

(However, I digress - I think he knows that most of his followers are that ignorant, he's counting on it for re-election lol.)

Regardless - please do NOT inject cleaning products into yourself - these will assuredly kill you almost immediately, as these products kill not just viruses, but all biologic tissue.

Also, tanning beds and/or sunlight are NOT going to keep you from getting the virus, nor will they cure you.  

Virus sensitivity to heat and UV light simply means they can kill the virus in the environment and slow the spread of the virus  - it does NOT mean these things are effective once the virus is inside the human body - nor will these things prevent you from getting the virus! 

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